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January 23, 2012

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Mimi Robie

Thanks, Roz.

Roz Stendahl

Thank you Mimi, for writing in, I am glad you found this post helpful.

PeggySu

I agree! At least my Visual Journal with this paper takes just about anything. And now that I learned from your Strathmore video how to use the UHU "rubs-on-purple" Glue Stick correctly, my collaged pieces stay down and don't buckle on this surface.

Do you have a favorite pen for writing directly on the white vellum surface? I'm talking about a lot of writing (journaling) -- not just a few words.

Dana

I've been using Strathmore's MM journal since fall and have only had one ink bleed though... it was a tester and I was heavy handed with it. I puddled some Higgins Black Magic and blew it around with a straw. Never again! When I tried the same technique with my bottled Sumi ink I had no bleed through at all. My two usual pen inks are Noodler's Lexington Gray and Platinum Carbon Black and I have had no trouble with either of them.

Just one question... does the grain run with the long or short side? I loved your "Project Friday" and I'm getting up the courage to bind my own and I'm (not so) patiently waiting for the paper tearing post. But... please don't rush on my account. Let that hand of yours heal Roz... that's one valuable appendage!

PeggySu... if you're talking about the S 500 MM Journal paper (I'm new to this so "vellum surface" means nothing to me.) I've written full pages with my Lamy fountain pen and the inks above.

Roz Stendahl

PeggySu, I'm so glad that you are having good luck with the UHU glue stick following my approach.

I do have a favorite pen on this paper, and frankly most papers because if this pen doesn't feel right on a given paper I tend not to use the paper much: Staedtler Pigment Liner.

I also really like the Faber-Castell Pitt Artist's Calligraphy pen on a lot of papers and it is especially good on this paper. I haven't tried the other Pitt pens on this paper but would assume that all the pens in that line, from the brush tip to the finer writing tips, are using the same black ink formulation, so I would think the writing tips in that line would be worth a look.

I also like writing with the Nexus pen and it works well on this paper.

Roz Stendahl

Dana, I don't know what the formulation for Higgins Black Magic is that would have caused it, though I imagine a puddling of any ink might do the same. (I have a scrap of the paper here, a page I cut out of the book to make room for collage and I think I'll puddle a bit of FW on it and see what happens.)

I use Platinum Carbon Black on this paper as well, with no problem. I don't use any Noodler's inks in my journals though so I'm glad you're having success with Lexington Gray. Dick uses it in his writing journals and I think I'll have to borrow some and try it on this paper. I've always had trouble with the Lexington Gray on the various watercolor papers I make journals from (the sizing floats the ink too long for me), but it would be nice to have another option.

As to the grain of the paper I was sent preproduction paper and I'm not sure what they trimmed it down from so I didn't add that information in my post. What was true of what I used might not be what they finally set up for production, so I'll ask to verify and get back to you.

Vellum surface is a paper description term that is used in a bunch of different ways by different manufacturers to describe different characteristics of various paper lines. It is a latinized version of a French work for calfskin that was used as "paper." I could go on and on, but in the instance where Strathmore uses it to describe the surface of their papers (they use it on the Bristols as well) it means more or less lightly textured, not plate, not smooth.

This paper is however, comparatively smooth. The slight toothiness of the surface makes it useful for drawing with dry media as well as not so textured that writing with a pen on it is unpleasant, difficult, or disruptive of the pen line.

My hand has made some recovery though it is not without problems. I have been told to cut back, which is a difficult thing to do.

Steve Goodwin

Hi roz,

I was encouraged by your post on the strathmore 500 series paper. I exclusively bind my sketch journals with Fabriano Artistico paper but every once and awhile I notice that my waterproof ink slough off when I lay down the watercolor. I always thought it was the ink but I didn't know it had anything to do with the sizing of the paper. Anyway I've been collecting free paper samples from Dick Blick and passed over the Starthmore 500 because the surface felt too manufactured- didn't have that familiar feel like the Fabriano or Arches paper. Would the strathmore perform better than the Fabriano and Arches when using ink and watercolor? What is your all time favorite paper to use? (ones that are in production still, I see you get quite emotional over discontinued papers as well, :) )

Roz Stendahl

Steve, make sure you had a sample of the 500 series Mixed media. I don't think that the surface of that paper feels too manufactured myself. But their 300 and 400 series of that paper both have that feel for me.

I do get quite exercised over discontinued papers. I miss them!

I write about a lot of my favorites here
http://rozwoundup.typepad.com/roz_wound_up/2008/12/paper-what-do-visual-journalers-wantpart-2.html

I can't really give you a definitive answer on whether the Strathmore 500 series paper will perform better than the Fabriano or the Arches because

1. I don't use Arches watercolor papers in my journals as they all crack, even when folded with the grain, because of all the sizing in them. So I only use them flat for regular watercolors and for those I don't use pen and ink so…

2. Everyone works a little differently. It matters a lot if you let your ink drawing sit for even a couple minutes for some papers, and if you can be that patient than one can have a great experience on that paper and if not you can't, as far as bleeding goes.

3. I no longer use Fabriano watercolor paper for my journals because they changed the grain direction on the sheets. See my page about it here
http://rozwoundup.typepad.com/roz_wound_up/tearing-down-fabriano-art.html

That means that in order to get the more squarish books I want I have to waste more paper than I like to.

I'm using a lot of Winsor and Newton watercolor paper (90 lb.) when I can get it. And I've recently made some books out of ThSaunders Waterford, 90 lb. but I haven't don't extensive tests on that yet so I can't tell you if it would be better for how you work. I will probably use one of those books either as my next journal (in a couple days, or as the journal after that, so sometime at the end of February or beginning of March, so you'll hear about it then).

If you work as a traditional watercolorist I think you're best off working with a watercolor paper and finding one which will work well with your method and not float your ink. Depends on your ink, your coverage, etc. to some extent too. So you'll need to test a couple for yourself before you buy a bunch of anything.

If you're working in more a mixed media type of way, then I think the Strathmore 500 series Mixed Media is going to give you more versatility. But keep in mind, as I wrote in my post, even on that paper I'll get some ink lines bleeding if I move in to work too quickly—with some pens.

I'm going to focus on using my Faber-Castel Pens for the next few pages to wrap up the journal and I think they will dry more quickly.

Also, if you're not doing traditional watercolor work, any of the printmaking papers will be better for ink work you immediately wash over because they don't have the same sizing watercolor paper does. They are made to absorb inks into their surface not float paint like watercolor paper. So great for your ink, but your painting technique will have to adapt.

My all time favorite papers have all been discontinued and I don't have a replacement yet—which is why I've been testing the ThSaunders, the Winsor and Newton, and now the Strathmore 500 series Mixed Media.

I've already had one heartbreak last year, with the Stonehenge Kraft colored paper because it has a fantastic surface for the work I do, but it fold and disintegrates, not just cracks, and is unsuitable for binding. So it goes. Finding the perfect paper is like finding shoes that fit!

Good luck with your experiments.

Steve Goodwin

Thank you for the detailed response. I always wanted to experiment on new paper but had a bad experience with the Fabriano Rosapina paper- a printmaking paper as well but it cracks along the folding edge as well and even delaminates from the PVA glue on the spine- it has a gorgeous surface though- not great for bookbinding. So after that experiment I was careful as I didn't want to waste any more efforts (nothing wasted I guess as I was able to know not what to use). I will look into each of the papers you've suggested. I ordered some Suanders watercolor paper samples a couple of days ago- I'll experiment a little on that as well.

I may be looking a the wrong Strathmore paper- I think the one I have is the Stathmore 500 Imperial watercolor paper. Maybe the Mixed media has a better surface.

I wouldn't call myself a traditional watercolorist other than the fact that I use that as my primary medium - in coordination with carbon black ink and the Pitt artist pens as they are the most waterproof inks I've found. I like your approach - it fits my approach as well. Glad to have re-found your blog- I like the new format better.

My best...

Roz Stendahl

Steve, Rosapina is a paper of heartbreak for me as well. I've made a couple books out of it and it does indeed crack and delaminate as you report. The surface, however is wonderful for sketching on and even doing watercolor washes.

The papers I recommend on my list will state if there is any cracking or other issues with them. No paper is perfect. But some we can put up with certain things because of other things the paper brings to us.

If you've got Strathmore 500 Imperial Watercolor paper than you have a different paper all together and you need to see out some of the 500 series Mixed Media paper (perhaps by purchasing a small mixed media journal—but be sure you get the JOURNAL and not one of the 300 or 400 series pads that are wire bound and some people might use for journaling. Accept no substitutes!

I do not care for the Strathmore 500 series Imperial watercolor paper at all. I actually did a review of it on this blog but I can't find it. THere was a boxer sketch on it and it was precut and I had problems not only with the paper but the packaging. Anyway, I didn't like that paper and I can understand why you thought it had a machine-y surface.

THis is the only blog I've had so I don't know what you mean by the new format???

Maybe you were reading someone else's blog?

Or maybe you were at my website, which isn't a blog, but which has areas of galleries etc.

Anyway, glad you like the blog.

Sigh, I have one more little book of Rosapina in the back that I've never used because of the problems. SIgh, sigh, sigh. Haven't thought of it in years.

Steve Goodwin

Do you have a entry which lists all of the papers and their qualities? If not, I've been reading some of your past posts that have mentioned several papers.

It must be your website that I was referring to, but it appears you are redirecting your guests to this site since 2008. It has been a long time for me, I guess.

I found you because of Danny Gregory's books and website- when I was more active and engaged on the internet- not so much anymore- it takes away from sketching time, so I had to wean myself a little. I'm more selective of who I keep up with. You have dedicated yourself to sharing all of your experience. Thank you for that. It really helps.

Roz Stendahl

Steve, in my first response to your first comment the first link is a list of my favorite papers. Otherwise you typically will have to search for a type of paper and see what the search engine shows up.

Not redirecting, just noting this link to the blog on my opening page because the majority of people who deal with me on the internet are students and people interested in art stuff, not design, those people don't tend to go to my website as they already know what I do and I don't update that area on my website much. And since 2008 don't update my gallery for my journals on my website either because I put that stuff here.

I'm glad that you are doing more sketching than internet stuff!!!! That's the balance to achieve. I do little internet stuff myself since I do the blog and that's time intensive I don't have much other time—so I like to use all of that that I can for painting.

Thanks for your thanks, but as I have mentioned on the blog, I'm just bossy.

Marianna

Hello,

I recently purchased the Strathmore Mixed Media Visual Journal. And you are absolutely right on the quality of the paper. It is unlike any other mixed media paper I have ever tried. I agree with your recommendation, and encourage anyone who likes using wet as well as dry techniques in their journals to try it. It is a pleasure to use.

Roz Stendahl

Marianna, I'm so glad that you are enjoying this paper too. Thanks for writing in.

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