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Melly

Amen! I loved this (Loooooong) post. Roll up your sleeves and get doing. reading books won't do it for you, looking at other people's work won't do it. Nope, just getting dirty. After you have some experience, reading and looking with help. But get dirty! I totally agree with you Roz.

Libby Fife

Another thoughtful post so thank you. I had a supervisor many years ago whom I went to for advice on something. Before she gave her answer she asked me if I was actually going to take and use her advice. She wasn't going to waste her time if I wasn't going to do anything about my problem. So now, I am mindful of just complaining for the sake of complaining.

I like to be a little more proactive in my problem solving in most areas of my life, especially when it comes to learning about using color in my work. The part of your post that I really could relate to was when you wrote about actually mixing colors. I think the studying and observation combined with "the doing" really works.

So, I am actively feeding the elephant:)

Thanks again.

Cynthia Schelzig

Great article Roz....really enjoyed reading it.

Roz Stendahl

Melly, glad you stuck with it even though it was long, I get going on my rants and the word counter disappears from view! Glad it resonated with you. But I know you are a big experimenter. I'm off to get dirty right now before a meeting!

Roz Stendahl

Libby, what a thoughtful supervisor. I think even when you ask people if they are going to take your advice you can't be sure, they aren't even sure, but I like that she was upfront about it because she made you think and it's a wonderful gift to give someone that thoughtfulness which has lasted for you.

I tended to give people 3 pep talks and then the next time I just sort of nodded through the conversation and let it shift to a new topic as soon as possible. (I have to restrain my innate bossiness and "fix-it-ness.") Now, without specifically stating what your supervisor said I am much more silent in person.

It gives me way more time to work on my own projects!

Good luck with taking care of that elephant! I'm glad you're working on it.

Roz Stendahl

Cynthia, glad you enjoyed it. Thank you.

Jennifer

Roz, this is a great post. While I am by no means an instructor in color theory, it's been my job to understand it for many years (until recently that is). I learned some in painting classes. I learned some when I worked as a custom framer. And I have to keep learning it as I become a fabric artist. The point being, there's no time when you know ENOUGH, the elephant (and many others like him/her) is always nearby. Thanks for reminding me of it. js

Amber

Commenting on your recommendation that not all color theory teachers are equal: I got my color theory education during art college, where the start of the semester was learning about value first, then moving onto the color. Initially I didn't understand why we'd study black and white in a color theory class, but once we got going it was clear that my ability to use color was enhanced by my understanding of value.

It was a unique approach that I haven't really seen elsewhere, but it was very beneficial!

One of my favorite painters is James Gurney. You provided a review of his book "Color and Light", which--in addition to his blog--has a wealth of color theory information (but it can feel overwhelming to those new to color theory).

Carolyn

★★★★★

Excellent! Thanks Roz!

Did you frame that piece of work? :-) I think I might, I'd get a kick out of it's Symbolism.

Geminica

Thanks for the great post! I experiment with color already but periodically get stuck and end up spinning my wheels for awhile, reaching out for random colors and not learning much along the way. You've nudged me to open up my Stephen Quiller book again and use it to take another step forward :-)

Carolyn

P.S. Wayne Thiebaud is written about in the current issue of Smithsonian magazine.

Roz Stendahl

Jennifer, I think you are right that you have to constantly feed and care for and observe the elephant. That's what makes the study of color interesting to me. And it is what makes the work of real color masters so interesting and compelling to me—they are always teaching me something new by the simple act of observation. Thanks for writing!

Roz Stendahl

Amber, yes, that is key and important, starting with value. They work this way in the Atelier model of art instruction. You might work for ages in charcoal and then ages in monochromatic oils before bringing color to the party.

Value is key. Also all my students who see value pick up color theory much more quickly than those who don't.

As you know from my review James Gurney's book is excellent in my opinion as well. Much of the material (according to a note at the back) grew out of his blog posts so people can definitely continue to find great information on his blog. Other artists as well I would recommend are those that are on my color theory book list. Quiller being my favorite. But I'm also partial to Jeanne Dobie. (Sp? of her name, it's not in front of me.)

Thanks for writing.

Roz Stendahl

Carolyn, thanks for the high marks! I'm glad you enjoyed the post.

I think the work you're referring to is that scratch block I was using in the watercolor class I refer to? If so, sadly it was saved for years and then lost in the garage fire (our neighbors burned our garage down in 2000—long story, fireworks, went and hid, urgghh) and we both lost lots of stuff in the fire.

It was way before the days when I scanned everything (or so it seems, that I scan everything these days), and I wish I still had it. I remember a lovely soft squooshy green, almost caterpillar like creature covering about 1/3 of the page.

We still, as I mentioned, have many, many good laughs over its memory!

Roz Stendahl

Carolyn, thanks also for the heads up about Thiebaud in the Smithsonian I'll try to check it out.

Roz Stendahl

Geminica,
I think in any long term study we hit plateaux and then have spurts which take us forward again. I think those spinning wheel or plateau times are great because it means breakthroughs are coming.

I think Stephen Quiller's books are always the best place to go to get back on track. I'm glad you're going to have another look at it.
Thanks for writing.

Suzanne Deal-Fitzgerald

I fortunately, and sometimes unfortunately, grew up being the daughter of a gifted artist, who chose his role models well. (Think Edward Hopper, the Renaissance Artists, Renoir.)

Quite a few years back, I watched Itzhak Perlman on a late night talk show, and he was enthusiastically playing a bluegrass/fiddle tune. I realized then, that when one is able to understand how music is made, it is fairly easy to go anyway you want to go with it. A fiddler, who has not had that kind of training would be hard pressed to go to the Met and play as Perlman could.

One of the first times I warped a loom, I'd learned warping with an "art" weaver. Not much thought was given to the technical aspects and my weaving, no matter how inspired would not have lasted very long. I then studied with a classical weaver, and was able to make a piece of cloth that could stand the test of time, and realized that now, it was easier to go back, and remove and add aspects of that classical training to construct a piece of textile art, that could also stand the test of time.

Color theory is like that.

Roz Stendahl

Suzanne, I think learning the craft is always a great thing. I know that I was able to develop my Roz-method binding because I was taught traditional binding by a master craftsman. Armed with that knowledge I was able to work out what mattered to me in the structure that I wanted to work with day in and day out in my journaling.

So many people want to take short cuts and I feel badly for them—they miss out on all the fun and satisfaction, which continues to come back to them every day.

velma

cool, or rather HOT post. i have no patience for people who want to "be artists" and are unwilling to do the time, or worse, the ones that make art badly over and over. even when they're good folks. it hardly matters that, in my case i don't paint (currently) i can paint and will if it suits me. color theory is amazing and working deeply with pigment like you do is "worth" every second invested. you might like to visit my blog to see what BEES make of color theory: http://velmabolyard.blogspot.com/2011/02/whats-buzzzzzzz.html

Roz Stendahl

Velma, Nature seems to be the best color mixer there is. Is that bee photo doctored in any way? I don't understand much about bees and pollen but they definitely seem to have a grasp of complementary color and pattern and arrangement. I wonder what it all means.

Thanks for sending it.

velma

roz- i was told no doctoring. i blogged about finding a book called the pollen loads of bees, and inside were all these wonderful "paint chips" of the different plants that produced the pigmented pollens the bees harvested in different seasons. dorothy hedges was the artist/bee aficionado who discovered the pigments were flower and season specific. and i thought all pollen was, er, yellow. (my friend carol blinn sent my post to her friend who set the photo.) and that book-fairly rare.

Roz Stendahl

Velma, how wonderful is all that. Season specific pigments—it just keeps getting better and better.

Well I knew at least some pollen was yellow—see me coming out of the tracking fields in my black Gortex pants in ragweed season! But it's great to know how wonderfully beautiful this can all be.

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