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December 02, 2008

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Carol C

Hi, Roz....I enjoyed this entry in your blog (heck, I enjoy your blog!) and hope you'll make some specific recommendations tomorrow about the paper that you like for visual journaling.--Carol C.

Roz Stendahl

Very specific comments Carol, that's why I had to break the post into two parts!!! See you tomorrow!
Roz

Laurelines

Roz, great post! Legion Paper in New York has some great sampler boxes of drawing papers, watercolor papers, printmaking papers, all KINDS of papers! Kate told me about this, I think. You and your readers really should check them out:

aimee

great recommendations! i'm bookmarking this post so i can come back to it for help when i buy my next round of paper. thanks as always for sharing your research and experience.

Roz Stendahl

Thanks Laura, I thought Legion just had the digital sampler boxes but I asked at Wet Paint and found they have other paper samplers as well. Legion now supplies a lot of the papers that used to come through other channels or something (I don't really even begin to understand all the consolidation that has happened).

All the papers they have in these samplers are papers I have tried and I think it is a nice way for people who don't want to get full sheets to look at a paper. Thanks for the suggestion!

Roz

Kim Saxe

This was very helpful. I am always on the lookout for good paper. I am currently vacillating between hot and cold press.

Thanks. Your blog is always so informative!

Kim

Pica

Paper and Ink Arts and John Neal Books cater primarily to calligraphers but offer very good paper samplers (especially fantastic for people who draw in ink a lot).

Great post!

Sydney

Oh, how I miss the old Daniel Smith sample packs. I found a sample pack of watercolor paper that I had forgotten about the other day.

Thanks for the tip about Legion Paper! I'll have to check out their sample packs.

Roz Stendahl

Kim, I'm glad you're enjoying the blog.

So when you are looking for HP or CP are you looking for 90 or 140 lb. paper? My problem is that there aren't a lot of 90 lb. watercolor papers readily available (and I like things to be close at hand and not mail order).

I was surprised that I really liked working with Winsor Newton 90 lb. hot press paper. (I buy almost none of their products so I had a mental "thing" about it.) But it's a nice paper and may become my standard HP since I can actually get it locally. More tests to do.

Roz

Roz Stendahl

Pica, thanks for the great tips on two more places to get paper samples.

Roz

Roz Stendahl

Sydney, I still have my old Daniel Smith sample packs. Sadly many of the papers are no longer available, but I love having them as a record of a time.

Roz

Roz Stendahl

Dannie from California had trouble with the posting and wrote to give the following leads on additional samplers. I didn't deal with bookcloth samplers in my post (sticking with papers) but I was actually recommending to a friend the bookcloth samplers at Talas. Now she can have another source for that too. Thanks Dannie, Roz:

Hi Roz
I have sample packs from Hirami Paper in Santa Monica, Ca. They have several paper packs divided into specialty catagories. They also have a bookcloth pack. McClains printmaking supply in Oregon and Twin  
Rocker also have sample packs.  All are little swatches 2x3 about,  some smaller if the paper is really expensive such as the various  gompi papers from Hirami. They are good for testing though, I used most of mine to see which would take suminagashi. Dannie

laraine

Hi Roz,
You work on both sides of the sheet in your journals. Has this been an issue for you in the way the paper handles? Can you recommend papers that work well on both sides for the journals you make? Thanks for your informative blog.
Laraine

Roz Stendahl

Laraine, if you look at today's post (Wednesday) which is part two of this topic, you'll find a number of papers that I use all the time in my journals.

Some have a difference between front and back of the sheet and you have to be careful to collate so that same surface (front or back of the sheet) faces same surface across the spread, but that's simply a matter of paying attention when you tear your sheets down and folding them appropriately. For the most part that difference is slight. Many of my students don't even notice a difference (part of it depends on how sensitive you are to nuances in paper) or are working in media that isn't going to "show" a difference, for instance on some papers people working on pencil may have essentially the same experience on both sides of a sheet but someone watercoloring on that sheet might experience something different.

Artists really need to test a bunch of papers, front and back, with the same media to ascertain not only what the broad characteristics of the sheet are but also their sensitivity level.

Have you been using papers so far that you've had difficulty with? If so what papers and what was your particular difficulty? That might help me suggest a particular paper.

The only time I don't work on both sides of a sheet are in books which are specifically for pencil (graphite and colored pencil) only. I don't like working on the back of a sheet and having the pencil from the previous page pushed down into its opposite page. (I don't put glassine or other barrier papers in between sheets as there would be too much loose paper falling out of the journal.)

It's rare though, for me to keep a journal just for pencil like this, certainly has to be a special project journal and not my daily journal.

Otherwise I don't have any problem with working both sides of the sheet on my favorite papers, many of which are listed in the part 2 post.

Roz

laraine

Hi Roz,

Most of my preferred papers were outlined in your second post. I use Fabriano Artistico; Arches Aquarelle; Stonehenge that was given to me in a bound book so I don't know the specific sheet; I also have a number of printmaking papers collected over the years including Rives BFK and Hahnemuhle, much loved for etching. Among your many impressive traits, your ability to keep track of information about paper you own and use is terrific.

My sketchbook work is primarily done in Holbein Multi-drawing Books/OF. I like the smaller ones. The paper has an entirely different feel to it in larger sizes, a difference that I don't like. Your conversation with Danny Gregory about how you make your own books inspired me to try to make my own. I bought the Webberley/Forsyth book recommended in a previous post.

Thank you for following up your post with a detailed answer to my question. I receive your blog through Feedblitz, so I'm often a day behind in reading what you've published.

Laraine

Roz Stendahl

Laraine, thanks for posting what you like to use! I'm a chart maker and note taker so it is second nature to me to keep detailed notes on paper I use and how it performs. I have several charts for this purpose, some relating to art use and some relating to bookbinding, and one for tear diagrams (that one's electronic!) One of the bookbinding charts is particularly useful because it tells me how many sheets I need for how many signatures, for a certain size, etc. and the spine size that will result, and board size, etc. so I can pre-cut my materials. (I never pre-cut my spines until I do some sewing, however, because on any given day my tension might be a bit different and make enough of a difference, but I have a ball park idea of how much board I'll need so it's at least on hand.)

It seems easier to make charts and spend 30 seconds recording something than reinventing the wheel each time I bind. I know this would drive other folks crazy, but it keeps me sane and happy. It also speeds up the process when I am making handouts for classes and need to have dimensions for something or need to create a supply list so I can cost everything out.

When I was a child I used those Holbein books you discuss. They were always readily available where we were living. I don't like the spiral bindings though.

I'm so glad that you are embarking on a bookmaking adventure! You will have great fun. It is delicious to work in a book you've made yourself.

Roz

Seth

Really interesting and useful post Roz. Looking forward to seeing what comes next.

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